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How to express concerns over Chinese surveillance state apparatus, and the threat of it coming over here, without falling into the company of unhinged conspiracy theorists? Can we ask questions about how China has handled the pandemic without playing into the hands of nationalists, racists and war hawks? What's the HUMAN FLESH SEARCH ENGINE?

To answer these questions I talked to Dr Kaz, an Asian Studies researcher at an Australian university, about all things China. All this and more in this, the latest ep of WAR ROOM: PANDEMIC.

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